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Title: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on December 06, 2013, 06:49:22 PM
I bought the 7.a template from here. I have Sibelius 5. Im running the VDL 2.5.2 version. I am using Kontakt player 2.5.5. using Mac OS X 10.7.5 All systems seem to be able to work with each other, Yet I can't find the Template when I pull up sibelius. I have the Kontakt player 5 AND 2 that shows up in my playback devices. Please help. I am not hearing anything when I put it on Kontakt 5 or 2.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on December 08, 2013, 08:12:25 PM
Hi, welcome to the forum.

It will take me a bit to review and piece together my answer, but won't be able to do so until tomorrow.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on December 09, 2013, 04:37:51 PM
Double check you are using these exact items (versions) in your setup:

1) Sibelius 5.2.5 - You may need to be running the Sib 5.4 update for Mac OS 10.7.5, but I'm not sure. See http://www.sibelius.com/helpcenter/upgrades.html for compatibility notes and download links.

2) Virtual Drumline 2.5.2 - You're stuck with VDL 2.5.2 in Sib 5 since Kontakt Player 4 is the minimum required for VDL 2.5.5. When you finally do upgrade to VDL 2.5.5, you'll most likely be forced to upgrade Sibelius to version 7.1.3, which is OK since you'd be running the latest at that point anyway.

3) Kontakt Player 2 - The latest KP2 update that I know of is version 2.2.4. Neither KP4 nor KP5 are compatible with Sib 5.

4) VDL SoundSet 7.0a - This XML file ("VDL_SoundSet_7.0a.xml") goes in /Users/yourusername/Library/Application Support/Sibelius Software/Sibelius 5/Sounds.

5) "VDL_Template_7.0a.sib" - Until you create a new Manuscript Paper from this file, you won't see it when you create a File > New within Sibelius. Instructions for creating a Manuscript Paper in Sib 5 is on page 25 of the Readme. Another option is to make a copy of this file for each new writing project.

Remember that you'll not be able to use the new-to-2.5.5 template instrument definitions since you're not running that library version. Again, upgrading software will take care of that too.

If you still have troubles after all this, please attach screen shots of what you see, including shots of: your Playback Configuration, file system contents, and/or whatever else you think needs looking at. Oh, and you may want to read the Readme again, just in case.

Late
Hugh
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on March 26, 2014, 10:12:22 PM
Thank you for the feedback. I just bought the Sibelius 7.5 upgrade yesterday and have just installed it via download. How do I now get my VDL to run in Sibelius 7.5? I don't see a folder (Sibelius 7.5) to place all the files in like I did with Sibelius 5. Where should I start and how do I do it?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on March 27, 2014, 12:36:12 PM
Are you still running on OS X 10.7.5? If so...

The sound set XML file goes in: /Users/yourusername/~Library/Application Support/Avid/Sibelius 7.5/Sounds.

Are you able to create a new Playback Configuration with KP5 activated and "VDL SoundSet 7.0a" applied to it?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on March 28, 2014, 01:32:32 AM
Great. I moved the file to the appropriate location but I had to add a "Sounds" folder in the Sibelius 7.5 folder. Now, Im not sure what to do as far as creating a new Playback Configuration. the Kontakt Player is confusing. don't think I have applied VDL to Kontakt 5 either.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on March 28, 2014, 10:33:16 AM
Please attach a screen shot of your Playback Configuration.

Should look something like the instructions on page 7 of the Readme.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on March 28, 2014, 12:01:55 PM
/Users/arilozano/Desktop/Screen Shot 2014-03-28 at 11.58.30 AM.png

/Users/arilozano/Desktop/Screen Shot 2014-03-28 at 11.58.37 AM.png

If this is right then I think the problem is in Kontakt 5.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on March 28, 2014, 12:03:13 PM
Here
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on March 28, 2014, 12:04:17 PM
Here
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on March 28, 2014, 02:26:52 PM
The second image is the one you want, and it looks good. (There is no need at all to use Manual Sound Sets with this template.)

Open one of the TriggerTest files and see if it plays back as expected.

If you think there's a problem with Kontakt Player, can you load VDL patches into it when in stand alone mode?

And another thorough pass of the Readme may be warranted.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on March 29, 2014, 12:07:30 AM
I might have this all down right. the problem remains that when I add a bass note in my new score that has all the right settings... The sound that I want is not there. They are all clicking sounds like a rim knock.

I just learned how to do a trigger test and it all works. but I don't know how to apply it to my score.

Im pretty sure i have patches in my Kontakt player Ill send you shots of it.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on March 29, 2014, 12:11:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7gyadhUGMk

this is what I was learning from. at 1:52 I think i mess up. I can't seem to get Sibelius to load them. no sure...

Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on March 30, 2014, 01:18:22 PM
Are you adding instruments to the score from the "- VDL Template 7.0a" Ensemble?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on March 31, 2014, 11:05:54 AM
no i don't know how to do that
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on March 31, 2014, 12:55:33 PM
Read the instructions on page 9 of the Readme file and then get back if you still have questions.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on March 31, 2014, 11:01:41 PM
The video I watched at 3:47 says to click on a note and it will load...but mine didn't load. Also I don't have an option (video 2:53) for the sound sets in the Playback Devices menu. I have Kontakt player AU activated.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on March 31, 2014, 11:24:59 PM
I went to File Open (in sibelius) and went to the Playback devices folder and selected Sounds and chose the file .xml  When i clicked OK as shown in the last screen shot below, There was a loading box as if it was about to load then it shut down. SHould I even be doing this?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on April 01, 2014, 12:06:28 AM
Oops I didn't see you recent post. I just read from page 3 to Page 8. I stopped on the 64 bit vs 32 bit section. how do I find out that these are synced?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on April 01, 2014, 12:56:31 PM
If it's not "synced", it won't show up in Sibelius.

Were you able to add instruments to the score from the "- VDL Template 7.0a" Ensemble?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on April 01, 2014, 01:14:16 PM
No. I didn't have that option.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on April 01, 2014, 09:57:50 PM
Did you open a copy of the .sib template file? And did you read the instructions on page 9 of the Readme?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on April 01, 2014, 11:03:02 PM
I think a phone call would be great. This shouldn't take this long. I read page 9. When I go to "Choose from:" I don't have a file that says "VDL Template 7.0a" so I went to page 1 and read all the way up to page 8. Everything up until 8 seemed to be fine. On page 8 it talks about 64 bit and 32 bit. I asked you previously if this is an issue. But, right now the main issue is i don't have an option for VDL Template 7.0a in my Sibelius 7.5. How do I get that?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on April 01, 2014, 11:09:02 PM
here are the 2 places I have been able to find where a VDL template 7.0a should or could be and is not.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on April 02, 2014, 12:53:10 PM
Inside the template package you downloaded, make a copy of the file I've indicated in the attached image below, rename it to "MyNewProject.sib". Now open that new file in Sibelius. You'll then have all the instrument definitions from VDL Template 7.0a.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on April 02, 2014, 11:42:33 PM
Just tried it and it didn't work. Is the icon supposed to visually change?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on April 03, 2014, 11:02:56 AM
What exactly "didn't work"? And what do you mean by "is the icon supposed to visually change"?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on April 03, 2014, 11:20:45 AM
I copied the file and pasted it in the same folder. Then I went to Sibelius and the "MyNewProjects" did not show up
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on April 03, 2014, 11:30:33 AM
arisfro, you need to open the new .sib file in Sibelius. With Sibelius running - or not running, double-click the file.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on April 03, 2014, 09:53:54 PM
oops. ok i did it. This is what came up. Now I do trigger tests?
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on April 03, 2014, 11:54:58 PM
Here
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on April 04, 2014, 12:06:52 PM
That image looks like an opened template file - which is good. From there you would add instruments to the score from the "- VDL Template 7.0a" Ensemble, and then start writing. Have you watched this video: https://www.thewritescore.com/video/sibelius-templates-overview/ (https://www.thewritescore.com/video/sibelius-templates-overview/)?

If you want to do a TriggerTest, open one of the the .sib files from the TriggerTest folder, then play each stave one at a time.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: arisfro on April 06, 2014, 12:53:47 PM
Dude it worked! thank you so much for your patience.
Title: Re: Can not see "VDL Template" in the Sibelius window
Post by: Hugh Smith on April 07, 2014, 03:21:56 PM
Not a problem. Have a great day!